RELIGION/POLITICS – Pat Robertson is the Anti-Christ. Discussion.

Pat Robertson’s bigoted, racist remarks concerning the recent Earthquake in Haiti sparked an outcry from not just the liberal left, but even those who chill with him on the Right (we won’t get into my disdain for the terms ‘Right’ and ‘Left’ where based on those terms Hitler and Gandhi would be playing on the same team.  Ludicrous.).
Men like Pat Robertson are dangerous. Kind looking old men they are, but remember, they are the leaders of the ‘silent moral majority’…  AKA Capitalists/Republican/Conservative/Christian (though I am not sure they are the kind of Humans that Jesus would have hung  with.)
I see a whip and the proverbial knocking over of tables.
Angered at how a Community Leader blames natural disasters on the Sin of a People and says that it is His God that is punishing them,  I posted the statement you have already read and the following are responses from my Facebook NetworkConnections (NETCONS).
Boston Paul
Ripped from on line. Link Below. “It was just last week that we posted a collection of old Pat Robertson videos, but since he’s making news once again by saying the tragic earthquake in Haiti stems from the fact that the nation once “swore a pact to the Devil,” now seems like a good time to go back at take a look at some of Robertson’s most outrageous statements from recent years”:

*Robertson and Falwell lay the blame for 9/11.

*Robertson says Muslims should be treated like “some fascist group.”

*Robertson says gays are on their way to hell.

*Robertson says hate crimes legislation would protect someone “who likes to have sex with ducks.”

*Robertson says all other religions worship “demonic powers.”

*Robertson’s advice to the GOP on handling the Rep. Mark Foley scandal: just say that it is “what gay people do so don’t worry about it.”

*Robertson says marriage equality is “so gross” it will lead to the end of our nation.

*Robertson reports that God told him to expect massive terrorist attacks on the United States in 2007, and lists the specific cities at risk.

*Robertson declares that the separation of church and state is “insane.”

*Robertson states that Ariel Sharon suffered a stroke because he was “dividing God’s land.”

*Robertson warned that President Bush was “asking for the wrath of God” for not adequately supporting Israel.

*Robertson explains that various natural disasters and weather events are God’s way of sending a message.

“Explain to me again why incoming Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell invited Robertson to attend his inauguration. Or why Rep. Michele Bachmann, whom Robertson lauds as a “marvelous public servant,” is appearing on his program.”

Fri at 12:55am
I’m more heartbroken and disappointed in Robertson than anything at this point, and I’m tremendously unwilling to regard him as anything but a badly, badly misguided soul who has let his own thirst for control and own perspective cloud the love and grace available in the relationship he claims to have in Christ. His entire ilk come from such a different world than the rest of us, and I’m hesitant to declare openly that anyone is burning in hell (or conversely, that anyone is resting peacefully in heaven). That deal rests between said person and God and it is not ours to declare the result of someone’s salvation.

However, I will say that his words do not reflect the same God that I know, and he certainly does not speak for all Christians – or even a significant minority of Christians at this point. He, Falwell, Oral Roberts and Bob Jones are all men of their own kind, and hopefully it is one attitude toward humanity that will soon be extinct.

Boston Paul
I thought this was interesting:  In an ABC News poll conducted in the wake of Hurricane Katrina in 2005, 23 percent of Americans said they believed hurricanes were “a deliberate act of God.”

Amerika has 308,480,000 people. Who’s good at Math?

I’m not, but that is still a scary number.

Corporate Christianity, Dianna.

I know some Good People that also happen to be Christian. We have nice scholarly debates and they are nice to be around.

Unfortunately, Amerika has way too many of the type you mention above… capitalist, fundamentalist, military supporting republicans (whether they vote democrat or not).

And they have millions of Sheep in their Flock.

Sheep. The Bible hit the nail on the head with that one.

Sheep are one of the dumbest species of mammals on the planet.

Fitting.
Indeed, BP (and I hope I am one of those Good People you think of). The influence of Robertson, et al, is a little frightening, but, in the younger church (read: my generation), there’s definitely a sense of movement away from such brazen “us vs. them” evangelicalism. Granted, the persistent presence of their schools of thought in media, politics and education speaks volumes to how much influence those men (notice that it’s mostly men, too…) have had on American Christianity – the “religious right” and “moral majority” are still incredibly loud.

But, on the ground here in America, I’m sensing much more of a change toward more gracious, ecumenical Christianity and much less fire and brimstone. Essentially, 30 years ago, Robertson would have been the voice of the Christians in our nation, but most of the negative reaction to him now in 2010 speaks to the fact that he has been moved to the fringe. My parents’ generation of fiery, militant-rhetoric infused evangelicalism is fading.

I don’t know what to do with 23% there except to say that 1. It’s a very unscientific poll, and 2. Is the group polled solely comprised of American Christians? Is it purely those who claim Christian as their religion and go to church every Sunday, etc, i.e., exhibit all the ‘signs’ of being an American Christian? If it is not (which I suspect is the case), then you have crazy people from all walks of life, agreeing that Katrina may have been divine retribution – it doesn’t speak to that sort of movement within the Christian church. That 23% would include Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoist, Shintos, etc…anyone claiming to be religious, and therefore, you end up culling what looks like a large number, but is really just a bunch of people on the fringe of all religious walks. Just sayin’, the 23% doesn’t really surprise me.

Also, the “sheep/shepard” metaphor is one used all over the Bible, and, while I get your use of the metaphor here, I have to confess I was a little insulted by it as well. Just saying.

It’s good to talk to you again, by the way. Chase and I had a few conversations about you and your stances on things while in India. 🙂

Terry Sommers
puppets of puppets, that’s all. blah goo goo ga ga
John Edward DeShiro
I had to take a statistical analysis class when I was in college and my take on “polls” is that you can make numbers say anything you want and it was one of the primary cautions I learned from my prof.

“Christian” has been used to lump together a very large and diverse set of beliefs in the U.S. I cringe every time I see the word Christian used as a label.

Is a person that believes the Pope is the mediator between God and Man actually a Christian?
Is a person that believes they can buy their way, either by good works or lots of monetary donations, into eternity really a Christian?

Is a person that believes that a set of plates presented to a drunk in the woods by an Angel that identified himself as the Angel Moroni and interpreted as the New Gospel really a Christian?

I stopped calling myself a “Christian” a long time ago, right around the time my church snubbed me for my stand against their hypocrisy, which is a story for some other time, haha

Cousin Avi
1. There is no hell,
2. There is no anti-christ.
3. Your response – revulsion and repugnance – is mostly perfect.
4. Don’t grant the premise.
Great thread Paul!

Religion= organized superstition for profit

i agree with everything Pat Robertson said…
Stephanie Conboy
theres no anti christ ,unless you create it!
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  2. I have to disagree with a couple of Cousinavi’s points. Thanks for pointing me here by the way, Avi.

    1. There is no hell.
    There is a hell. We’re living in it.

    2. There is no anti-Christ
    There are few ways I can bend this, but in my opinion, there are almost 6 billion anti-Christs out there.

    As for Pat Robertson, this insane douche-bag regularly says truly shocking and overtly racist/sexist/homophobic things on TV in the calmest of voices, often with that really creepy smile. Meanwhile, you can’t even say the word “ass” on most TV channels anymore because that’s “offensive”.

    Robertson and Jerry Falwell (may his corpse rot a thousand times in hell) were essentially Christ’s PR department in the 80’s and early 90’s and far too many people took them pretty seriously. They certainly qualify as anti-Christs.

    • Indeed. I use the terms/concepts ‘Anti-Christ’ and ‘Hell’ metaphorically or allegorically.

      I do not personally believe in either.

      But it drives my point home with some of the more conservative readers I have.


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